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RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - gorgias1976 - 17-07-2017
I'll start.
Qualy
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Got some good drafts so I got a 34.4 which was enough for 4th place (All top 5 drivers in less that 0.1 seconds)
Race
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I had decided my strategy for the race. Add some front wing to get better grip behind traffic and try to save as much fuel as posible. That way the longer my pitstop could be delayed the less fuel I had to add and therefore the less time I had to spend on the pits.
That worked and helped me stopping later than Kristijan and DjC and getting from the pits 10 seconds ahead of them (I refueled 18liters and pitstop took 73 seconds).
That put me in 2nd place as John Cook had a very different strategy (2 pitstops) after a crash and pitting at the early first caution of the race.
9 minutes to the end of the race I was 9 seconds behind John and reducing the gap 1 second per minute so it was going to be really close.
3 minutes to the end John was 3 seconds ahead having Ron behind of him when another caution yellow flag was called. Here is when things went wierd. I got the message to follow Ron so I slowed down right behind him. A few seconds later a message to follow the safety car appeared and so I did, for some reason that put me ahead of John and made me won the race, really strange. ???
Another strange thing that happened, around half race was that DjC and I got a 3-4 second freeze. This didn't have an effect on Kristijan and Marmagas which suddenly were 3-4 seconds ahead.
At that situation I tried some cooperation work with DjC to reduce the gap until he went for his pitstop.
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - cookie - 17-07-2017
i won the race - and got screwed by a computer glitch - the message flashed for me 3 or 4 times - follow the safety car / follow gorka/follow saftey car/folow gorka - ultimately it landed on follow gorka and i ended in 2nd place - i think the problem was the safety came out right away and i had to wait on the back straight for it - gorka was behind me just when it came out and then edged ahead of me a bit - somehow the programming got messed up
who caused the last lap caution?
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - Dan Minges - 17-07-2017
I did! See the video.
Really looking forward to this, pretty disappointed in the outcome.
I'm pretty sure I had the best handling car. I could drive any line desired, and it handled the flat nicely. Here is my setup if you want to give it a try. http://USF2kBrookdale.svm Google drive link.
During qualifying I could not get a decent draft. None of the fast guys wanted to play.
Start worked pretty well. I was able to miss the early carnage and worked up to 4th. I was having to lift quite a bit to follow in the draft. I was pretty sure I had a good chance. Then Cook mistakenly thought he was clear. Or maybe he was having trouble driving straight? I was unfamiliar with the yellow flag rules, and got a penalty for passing Miller whom I was supposed to follow. I tried twice to clear the penalty, but under yellow that is not allowed, which makes sense.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP9coIkjBFc[/youtube]
Had fun in the middle of the race, and worked my way up to 2nd. I would need gas though.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnxqDM3tTqY[/youtube]
After getting gas, I came out behind Cruickshank, and hilarity ensued for several laps. I had hoped we could just draft each other and catch some cars, because in practice this week David and I had combined for 34.4 but he wanted to race. Too bad I was faster. Still it was fun until the silly dive at the end.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG0NJGyRHNw[/youtube]
Also available on YouTube playlist http://sr4l Brookdale
See you at Indy!
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - cookie - 17-07-2017
our crash was my fault - luckily we stayed on track and the yellow came out - you would have been ahead of me if the penalty didnt happen - you just beat me out of the pits
i had a "car outside " message from my spotter but was drafting cruicky onto the straight and thought you were going to fall back in line behind us - misjudged the distance -sorry you had a right to the line , even if you were sticking your nose where it didnt belong :o
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - Dimitris Papps - 17-07-2017
This race was totally new experience to me,and i kind i liked it and enjoyed it!
Qual.in the middle of the pack,no complaints.
Changed my setup for more aero like 5-10 for stability,as Ricky wrote,and i thought it would be a good idea.
Lap after lap gained confidence.Lap 5 Ricky and Cookie(i think) had a moment(i dont know the rules here and who has right)
and i was p6 behind Dan M.
Lap 20 Dan and Cookie had a moment,safety car was out and i was in 4th place behind Gorka!Like a dream!
Lap 26 the race started again and Ricky from behind had a moment with me,took damage as i hit the left wall and somewhere at lap 49 i had a disconnect ???
Rejoined the race but it was all lost.
Last laps Kiko in front pulled me to finish in good lap times,thanks Kiko!
I uploaded this moment with Ricky,please who is the right one?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz7pcv8e7alezkk/rFactor2%202017-07-17%2015-17-45-752.avi?dl=0
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - gorgias1976 - 17-07-2017
By watching Dan's replays, I think the accident of Stephen and Kristijan was caused by Stephen going wide into Kristijan unable to keep the inner lane on the entry.
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - DJCruicky - 17-07-2017
Dan M, for our end of race accident, you do you know you were 1 lap down don't you?, and you should not have been messing with leaders like that. If the penalty for blue flags were switched on you would have had one.
If this was for a position you would be still in error. I will quote Keepers post from the news thread
Quote:"Most importantly: In oval racing, ANY part of a car inside of you means that driver is entitled to the line. This is different from road racing where it's acceptable to "shut the door" and force someone to back out if they're not at least halfway alongside. Being passed is not the end of the world; you'll have plenty of opportunities to get that position back through the ebb and flow of traffic and the draft. In oval racing, if someone has just a millimeter of their nose inside of you and you turn down and get spun out, it's YOUR fault -- not theirs. The same is true of someone on the outside of you at the exit of the turn; it means you have to pinch your line to give them space. (However, sticking your nose to the outside at corner exit is a recipe for disaster unless you have a lot of confidence in yourself and the driver you're trying to pass. This is true of any kind of mid-corner overtaking attempt. Generally, you shouldn't try it, opting instead to get a run down the straight and begin the pass before the next corner.)"
Yes Gorka, shame about the odd pauses we both had.
I saved a lot of fuel too, and took out some before the pit, but I had no idea how much to take out. My guess was bad because my pit was 15 seconds longer than Gorkas, still had lots left at the end. I'm thinking, like how he 15 seconds ahead?? lol.
Looked like KP had a spin at the end, I stole his 3rd place
CU all in the F2's
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - Dan Minges - 17-07-2017
DJCruicky Wrote:Dan M, for our end of race accident, you do you know you were 1 lap down don't you?, and you should not have been messing with leaders like that. If the penalty for blue flags were switched on you would have had one.Sorry, I didn't know you were a lap ahead. So why did you try to pass? You would have done a faster lap time if you had just stayed behind me. Yet you risked a very difficult pass when you were already having trouble staying on that bottom line. You were in no danger from 3rd place. Yes, by the rules of oval racing you had a right to the corner. You had no chance of making it work. I even left extra space for you. Your "red mist" nearly cost you a podium. You were very lucky the yellow was thrown. By the way I would have just passed you again in the next corner as I had done how many times! Sill calling it a very silly idea on your part.
If this was for a position you would be still in error. I will quote Keepers post from the news thread
Quote:"Most importantly: In oval racing, ANY part of a car inside of you means that driver is entitled to the line. This is different from road racing where it's acceptable to "shut the door" and force someone to back out if they're not at least halfway alongside. Being passed is not the end of the world; you'll have plenty of opportunities to get that position back through the ebb and flow of traffic and the draft. In oval racing, if someone has just a millimeter of their nose inside of you and you turn down and get spun out, it's YOUR fault -- not theirs. The same is true of someone on the outside of you at the exit of the turn; it means you have to pinch your line to give them space. (However, sticking your nose to the outside at corner exit is a recipe for disaster unless you have a lot of confidence in yourself and the driver you're trying to pass. This is true of any kind of mid-corner overtaking attempt. Generally, you shouldn't try it, opting instead to get a run down the straight and begin the pass before the next corner.)"
Yes Gorka, shame about the odd pauses we both had.
I saved a lot of fuel too, and took out some before the pit, but I had no idea how much to take out. My guess was bad because my pit was 15 seconds longer than Gorkas, still had lots left at the end. I'm thinking, like how he 15 seconds ahead?? lol.
Looked like KP had a spin at the end, I stole his 3rd place
CU all in the F2's
How did you like the pick move using Bruce as the screen? Hilarious!!!! 8)
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - ricikrick - 17-07-2017
Seems i go well on an oval
Qualified 5th Finished 7th
I think we were all reasonably well behaved
of course there were moments of misjudgement but we were all racing hard
and lap times were very close.
I had 3 moments and managed not to break the car
made an error when pitting i took a full tank and had 20 laps left in the tank at the end
sorry to anyone i had an incident with (whoevers fault)
all in all i thought it was a great race and different
well done everyone
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - kiko0602 - 18-07-2017
my first oval race..
Quali
34.402 was top time(first time sharing first position)Stephen M & me had same time!?The guy seams fast
but to aggressive where is no need to be..I had -0.25 from best time and he ruined my best lap,but i
didnt want to say anything because it happens..But im writing this now because i saw he is complaining
that i went into him in race.
this was in qualy:
S on left,me right
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIoMFHZKpo[/youtube]
and this was in race
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9wVu6fzXg[/youtube]
Race
Race was good but some guys really needs to think about their driving on league events. I know this
all is for having fun,but some needs to learn basic racing rules if they want to race a online
league.This have nothing to do with FAST vs SLOW drivers we all make mistakes,but if you driving like
you are alone on the track or like there is no one behind you thats another story.
Not caring about many things,blue flags,not holding a line,dive passing,making error and getting back
on race line,non predictable passing,fighting leaders when blue flag...all the thing what leads to potential danger
What is most interesting to me is BLUE FLAG situations.Its most simple thing in racing to do,but some
make it so complicated.
Holding someone more then half lap is ridiculous.Im not even gonna talk about fighting a leaders in BF
situations.You can say whatever you want,but here are few things which dont ask if you are faster or
slower
1) checking the rear view(mirrors) on the straight line to see where the leaders(others)are.is same
thing what leaders do when defending or went to pit and get out lap down.so you must be aware all the
time where others are and who you fighting(then there is hud position thing)
2) knowing where others are you can easy decide what to do.if leaders,hold your line and slightly lift
off.lift on any predictable line can do the job easy(but safest is on first straight line or when next to
each other).but if you decide to do it in corner then you must go wider line,not go wide then dive into
apex.
3) again knowing where your opponents are you can easy decide what to do.defend or stay on racing
line!?predictable move is a key in that kind situations.best way not to lose position if letting
leading car to pass is to take defensive line and slightly lift off when letting leader before braking,and then aim
to hold inside line so car behind cant pass.
4) if you are in battle there is few things you need to know.if you want defending your position or attacking car in front.
make your move much before corner entry(check your mirrors).if attacking/defending car is in inside line,you have to take outside line and be there till corner exit.same goes if you attacking or defending,you need to hold inside line all the way to the exit(thats is how cars next to each other should behave).if defending/attacking car is little in front then he has right to apex and you need to let go that corner and try in another one.
if you are lap down get over it you will not win the race im 100% sure, you dont need to ruin others race.im sure its best to let leaders as quick as possible and then use their draft and try to stay as close as possible,you will lose much less time doing so.but take care at braking points not to be to close.
marmagas Wrote:This race was totally new experience to me,and i kind i liked it and enjoyed it!
Qual.in the middle of the pack,no complaints.
Changed my setup for more aero like 5-10 for stability,as Ricky wrote,and i thought it would be a good idea.
Lap after lap gained confidence.Lap 5 Ricky and Cookie(i think) had a moment(i dont know the rules here and who has right)
and i was p6 behind Dan M.
Lap 20 Dan and Cookie had a moment,safety car was out and i was in 4th place behind Gorka!Like a dream!
Lap 26 the race started again and Ricky from behind had a moment with me,took damage as i hit the left wall and somewhere at lap 49 i had a disconnect ???
Rejoined the race but it was all lost.
Last laps Kiko in front pulled me to finish in good lap times,thanks Kiko!
I uploaded this moment with Ricky,please who is the right one?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz7pcv8e7alezkk/rFactor2%202017-07-17%2015-17-45-752.avi?dl=0
same like you
new experience to me.shame you have disconnected,you had good race pace after that and nice driving 
about reply:clearly Ricky went into you,so yes his fault..
DJCruicky Wrote:Yes Gorka, shame about the odd pauses we both had.
I saved a lot of fuel too, and took out some before the pit, but I had no idea how much to take out. My guess was bad because my pit was 15 seconds longer than Gorkas, still had lots left at the end. I'm thinking, like how he 15 seconds ahead?? lol.
Looked like KP had a spin at the end, I stole his 3rd place
CU all in the F2's
yea same thing happen to me with fuel,didnt know how much fuel to put.i went for 24L or so which was to much and pit time was something like 88 sec..at the end i had to much fuel left
this is what happen at last lap!dont know what to say...you can clearly see cars in front slowing down..
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s0yqyF92Jg[/youtube]
rickrick Wrote:Seems i go well on an oval
Qualified 5th Finished 7th
I think we were all reasonably well behaved
of course there were moments of misjudgement but we were all racing hard
and lap times were very close.
I had 3 moments and managed not to break the car
made an error when pitting i took a full tank and had 20 laps left in the tank at the end
sorry to anyone i had an incident with (whoevers fault)
all in all i thought it was a great race and different
well done everyone
(whoevers fault)??
thx Ricky for blocking me few laps and then running in to me last lap..(last night you were online,at least sorry would be fine)but no hi,bye sorry...anything...nice
WD Cook,Gorka & DJ
see you all next race
RE: USF2000 League - Round 8 - Brookdale - Reports - cookie - 19-07-2017
there was a time only a couple of years ago when we would have had 10 or so people practicing together every day for a couple of weeks before the race ......
not to defend people who were careless but that practice was probably necessary on a track like this if we were to have a really clean no mistakes type of race
this track was difficult to race side by side on - many of the incidents were marginal where one car moved slightly into the other
i was a little frustrated in practice and could see all this coming - it did not seem some drivers had their spotters working
at the start - the best approach was to get in line and stay with the draft , but some nuts made that impossible by starting a race within the first few laps trying to pass lines of drafting cars - total noob oval mistake ......
lets hope indy gets better and lets hope i win again but dont get robbed in the process
dont forget saturday night kiko - im winning in the 917 again too 8) :o ;D