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[Lecram]

Indeed, most accidents happen in T1, simply because this is the most tense part of the race. Maybe this is an area where we all should be practicing more in!

Imho for next season we should reconsider reversed grid races. Especially if we are running F1's. Maybe reverse only top 10 finishers of the race before. You can never guarantee incident-free starts but right now it's just a recipe for disaster.

[1959nikos]

Indeed, most accidents happen in T1, simply because this is the most tense part of the race. Maybe this is an area where we all should be practicing more in!

Imho for next season we should reconsider reversed grid races. Especially if we are running F1's. Maybe reverse only top 10 finishers of the race before. You can never guarantee incident-free starts but right now it's just a recipe for disaster.

FYI slower drivers had nothing to do with incident at Race3, T1.
It was faster drivers driving like bulls in a glass shop that did this.
As far as Ive seen, fast drivers here (with some notable exceptions-Coyne is one of them) dont have any patience at all, they want to pass right here and now, many times they push us out, or expect us to vaporise at the sight of a blue flag.

Im not really complaining about it as I enjoy races enormously here with their ups and downs, but really think twice before blaiming the slower drivers.

[Lecram]

I'm not blaming them, nor you, it's just being realistic. I don't expect a noob to have a perfect start and be aware of all that's happening around them. It's hard enough when you do have the experience, let alone if you're just starting.

[yerkeee]

Slow or fast, the start is an area where we should all improve on, main thing is learning how to take off properly. A lot of times I find myself bumping into the back of the driver in front of me or driving around them when they're still standing still. Also, many drivers still power-oversteer and swerve side to side at the start. I'm in favor of doing a formation lap where we can warm up the tyres a bit and prepare yourself for the start.

I don't think we should change reverse grid order, gives slower drivers a better chance of winning. We all just have to get better.

[deecee52]

I thought the whole idea of reverse grid races was to give the fast and the slow drivers experience of how to handle each other , we all know its going to be chaos and should be learning how to handle the situation , this is a good opportunity for everyone to improve thier skills in a fun environment ready for when racing really counts , i personally like the idea

[Lecram]

I thought the whole idea of reverse grid races was to give the fast and the slow drivers experience of how to handle each other , we all know its going to be chaos and should be learning how to handle the situation , this is a good opportunity for everyone to improve thier skills in a fun environment ready for when racing really counts , i personally like the idea

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and quite often, race 3 for me is where the fun is and very rewarding if ending up front.

[Hedlund]

Imho for next season we should reconsider reversed grid races. Especially if we are running F1's. Maybe reverse only top 10 finishers of the race before. You can never guarantee incident-free starts but right now it's just a recipe for disaster.

FYI slower drivers had nothing to do with incident at Race3, T1.
It was faster drivers driving like bulls in a glass shop that did this.
As far as Ive seen, fast drivers here (with some notable exceptions-Coyne is one of them) dont have any patience at all, they want to pass right here and now, many times they push us out, or expect us to vaporise at the sight of a blue flag.

Im not really complaining about it as I enjoy races enormously here with their ups and downs, but really think twice before blaiming the slower drivers.

I agree with Marcel, and I've said the same thing after third race at Putnam... Reverse top 10 only and problem solved. There's no reason to reverse the whole grid, why are we doing that? The slowest drivers won't gain anything because at the end of the race they are in the back of the field anyway. It only causes trouble for us all. It's really hard for me to know the very slowest drivers brake points. When I'm trying to take it very easy, maybe I'm still faster than they are, and this probably applies to all the 'faster guys' in the back of the field. It's hard to understand how slow it really is in the front of the field. If we reverse top 10 only the differences in brake points and corner speed is not any longer that huge.

In real life racing some series use reversed grid, but what I know it applies to top 8 or 10 in most cases. Anyway, in real life racing the differences between the fastest and the slowest drivers are not as great as in this sim racing league. In our F2 league the differences are really huge.

Don't you agree that we should reverse top 10 only Nikos?
I'm not blaming the slow guys here, it just makes sense, and problem solved.

Actually, I've never seen the point in why the very last guy in 2nd race should have pole in 3rd race?

[Hedlund]

I thought the whole idea of reverse grid races was to give the fast and the slow drivers experience of how to handle each other , we all know its going to be chaos and should be learning how to handle the situation , this is a good opportunity for everyone to improve thier skills in a fun environment ready for when racing really counts , i personally like the idea

Hey, don't we get enough experience in handle each other in the lapping situations? ;D

[jpalesi]

V8 Supercars around 2007 had a reverse grid race, and they dropped it after one season because it was chaos every time. And they have doors and fenders. If it didn't work in V8 with pro drivers, in a F1 championship with mixed levels isn't likely to work better.

[Lecram]

I've edited this post http://www.simracers4life.com/index.php?...53#msg6653 and added a vid looking down on my tires. Definately some tire contact-area on the white line all the way.

Heck I'll post it here too ;D

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHXi18YqGIc&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

[1959nikos]

Don't you agree that we should reverse top 10 only Nikos?

I dont mind at all, but this is not the point I am arguing about.
As you have noticed I rarely quit races even if Im last all race, simply because I enjoy participating more than spectating or leaving.

The difference between slow drivers and fast maybe huge, but faster drivers behaviour is many times unaxeptable.
I can agree that in IRL races, difference in speed is not so big (although at IRL Le Mans is bigger) but at the same time recklessness from fast drivers is very low too.
Many times has happened to me to slow down because of an accident in front of me, only to get hit hard from behind.
This means either that guy at back was shortsighted and couldnt see accident just in front, or, he is not really responsible with the safety of his own car and the rest around him.

[gorgias1976]

I've edited this post http://www.simracers4life.com/index.php?...53#msg6653 and added a vid looking down on my tires. Definately some tire contact-area on the white line all the way.

Heck I'll post it here too ;D

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHXi18YqGIc&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

Check the perspective of the video Marcel. Due to camera perspective you see your 4 tires from inside to outside creating a false perspective. What you see above the line from that angle is the top surface of the tire, not the bottom one, the one that takes contact with the asphalt.

[Hedlund]

Don't you agree that we should reverse top 10 only Nikos?

I dont mind at all, but this is not the point I am arguing about.
As you have noticed I rarely quit races even if Im last all race, simply because I enjoy participating more than spectating or leaving.

The difference between slow drivers and fast maybe huge, but faster drivers behaviour is many times unaxeptable.
I can agree that in IRL races, difference in speed is not so big (although at IRL Le Mans is bigger) but at the same time recklessness from fast drivers is very low too.
Many times has happened to me to slow down because of an accident in front of me, only to get hit hard from behind.
This means either that guy at back was shortsighted and couldnt see accident just in front, or, he is not really responsible with the safety of his own car and the rest around him.

Well I'm not sure wich faster guys you are talking about but I've seen some 'slow guys' doing unacceptable things too I don't know how many times they've ignored blue flag. I've lost one position in the last race at Putnam because of it, and yesterday one guy reversed back to track at full speed after the first corner chaos, ramming me and several others that otherwise could have avoided crash. Some guys are a bit reckless no mather if they are fast or slow.

And slowing down because of accidents... sometimes it's actually impossible to see if cars in front stand still or moving... But probably you'll se cars flying in the air and then you know it's time to brake

However, I think reversed top 10 will be great for next season. What do rest of the drivers think about this?

[Neela]

Indeed, most accidents happen in T1, simply because this is the most tense part of the race. Maybe this is an area where we all should be practicing more in!

Imho for next season we should reconsider reversed grid races. Especially if we are running F1's. Maybe reverse only top 10 finishers of the race before. You can never guarantee incident-free starts but right now it's just a recipe for disaster.

Don't like the idea. Just in case one of the slower driver like me will finish by mistake of others on 10th in second race. Than I'm first in third race. To avoid this situation I have to crash before finish or wait for someone to overtake me. For me the fun would be gone.
What about if we race in 2 server after qualy? The first 10 in server 1, the other 10 in server 2.Just in case we have a big grid

[gorgias1976]

I like the reversed system as it is. I don't know if I am considered one of the aggressive drivers or not, I think in the last events I'm being quite carefull at reverse races.

Anyway this reversed race mayhem started at the front.

[1959nikos]

I think in the last events I'm being quite carefull at reverse races.

Not only last events, Ive seen you being carefull in lots of races.

Anyway this reversed race mayhem started at the front.

No it didnt, check replays, it started behind us at the front.

[Hedlund]

Indeed, most accidents happen in T1, simply because this is the most tense part of the race. Maybe this is an area where we all should be practicing more in!

Imho for next season we should reconsider reversed grid races. Especially if we are running F1's. Maybe reverse only top 10 finishers of the race before. You can never guarantee incident-free starts but right now it's just a recipe for disaster.

Don't like the idea. Just in case one of the slower driver like me will finish by mistake of others on 10th in second race. Than I'm first in third race. To avoid this situation I have to crash before finish or wait for someone to overtake me. For me the fun would be gone.
What about if we race in 2 server after qualy? The first 10 in server 1, the other 10 in server 2.Just in case we have a big grid

Don't be silly... Of course you can start from pole if you finish 10th in 2nd race
But if whole grid is reversed, then all slower drivers create a 'wall' for the faster drivers to try to get through.
If just one or a few slower drivers "accidently" finish top 10 and start in the first row, that won't be a problem, I think.

I still think reversed top 10 is a good idea.

[1959nikos]

What about if we race in 2 server after qualy? The first 10 in server 1, the other 10 in server 2.Just in case we have a big grid

Is this inside info? ;D

[Hedlund]

No it didnt, check replays, it started behind us at the front.

I think it started in the front, because my brother started from pole and hitted a invisible cone and lost control, sliding into another driver in the front. I think this caused the whole situation. But of course, we will never know what had happened without this 'mistake' from him.

[jpalesi]

I've edited this post http://www.simracers4life.com/index.php?...53#msg6653 and added a vid looking down on my tires. Definately some tire contact-area on the white line all the way.

Heck I'll post it here too ;D

Check the perspective of the video Marcel. Due to camera perspective you see your 4 tires from inside to outside creating a false perspective. What you see above the line from that angle is the top surface of the tire, not the bottom one, the one that takes contact with the asphalt.

OMG ;D